[vallalargroups:3375] Re: Mukthi and Siddhi

Dear Sir,

I have to thank you for trying to explain very very difficult things
in a simple way for people like us to understand.
I have a small clarification whether sidhi or mukthi is a state
attained only by divine grace depending on our previous births'. If i
am right the Jeevakarunya Olukkam taught by Vallalar to all of us is
to make our self eligible for the state to be attained. The stage
attained by the Guru can be aimed by making ourselves to qualify as a
preliminary proposition. if other things being equal, we may get into
such stage if i am right as per your statements.

Sanmarkis who know the difference of knowing the difference in these
stages focus very well on siddhi attained by our guru in which i am
also an applicant. but is it possible to know the position attain
without completing the Karma. or the theory of karma does not hold
good to sanmarkis. where does the difference is.

of all including our guru, he was the chosen one and the practice of
Jeevakarunya was not preached or taught to him but he lived on it.

With material needs and desires and an attempt to relieve from the
clutches of worldly life, is it possible to really reach or can you
please explain.

This is not to comment or criticise sir, but to clarify myself and
understand the conflicting(?) situations.

any small clue could be of immense use to me to get light

On Aug 18, 8:23 pm, "arumugha arasu.v.t" <arumughaar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> *Mukthi and Siddhi*<http://nakinam.blogspot.com/2010/04/mukthi-and-siddhi.html>
> What is meant by Mukthi and Siddhi ? How can we attain Mukthi and Siddhi ?
>
> Mukthi enbathu munnurum saathanam
> Sitthi enbathu nilai serntha Anubavam
>
> There are two levels to attain God's Grace and Mingle withShivam that is
> God.
> One stage is Mukthi and the another stage is Sitthi
> What is the difference between Mukthi and Sitthi ?
> First we understand what is Mukthi and Sitthi.
>
> Mukthi :
> Most of the Gnanis are mingled with the Shivam. That is their Athma and
> Jeevan mingled with God but the body doesn't mingle with Shivam.
> They get Samaathi stage.
> What is Samaathi Stage ?
> Samaathi is nothing but your mind mingle in your Jeevan.
> Your outer concious get back to innner concious.
> After that your inner concious is also lost.
> In this stage you are not there why because
> You lost your inner concious and outer concious.
> You are not able to know what is happening in this stage.
> That concious of I is lost.
> At this stage you mingled with Param that is Shivam that is God.
> But You are not able to experience the Mingle with God.
> Why because you are mingled with God.
> There is no YOU.
>
> Sitthi :
> Sitthi is nothing but same as Mukthi but some difference is there.
> In Sitthi Your mind mingled with Jeevan and Jeevan Mingled with Athma
> But the Athma is in Concious and know the
> Level and Mingled with Shivam.
> Before Sitthi our material body is changed and get power
> to mingle with God.
> The Material body changed in to Sukshuma body.
> The sukshuma body having only Athma concious
> not with mind's inner concious and outer concious.
> In Sitthi your athma gets the experience of
> Mingled with God.
> Your Athma return back after Mingled with God.
> After that you know all the truth of the Universe.
> There is no abstacles to your body and Athma.
>
> All these two stages are attained only with God's Grace
> Your Older experience (Mur Piravi) in study this subject.
> Totally destroyed Mind's Level.
> In Mukthi and Sitthi if your mind is working in inner concious or
> outer concious level means you are not enter even in to the first stage.
> Mind is the main abstacle to know the God.
> Mindless Athma is only able to know the God and mingled with God.
>
> It is not easy to explain all the stages in Mukthi and Sitthi.
> why because there is no words to explain all the stages.
>
> I try to explain my best level.
>
> Brotherly Athman
> Sivam

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