You shouldn't be silent. I thank you for sharing your thoughts, which
resonates with deeper understanding and maturity.
Thanks,
Ashoken NP
On 1/6/12, Thinking Hearts <happynhandsome@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> This is the first time i am writing to this group and all the while i have
> been silently reading and learning from you all. Before i proceed i want to
> thank you all for the very nice interactions. I want to share few thoughts
> on non-vegetarian food and about the egg:
>
> There is a highly evolved spiritual school of thought which states:
>
> Killing animals for eating is not a moral issue and therefore it is morally
> not wrong in killing animals. For what you think you are killing (jivatman)
> cannot be killed (since atman is only one and it cannot be created or
> killed). That remains forever. What you think you are killing (the body of
> an animal) would die even if you don't kill it. Then is it right to kill
> animals and eat it? Obviously not. The reasons for not killing are as
> follows:
>
> 1. Every food is recommended or prohibited based on its guna and its effect
> on us (both and not just one). As we all know each food can be classified
> as Satvic, Rajasic and Tamasic. So in our scriptures eating non-veg is not
> prohibited for Kshatriyas and Vaisyas because they need qualities that are
> rajasic. Let me explain this with an example.
>
> 2. Milk is generally accepted as good for all of us. We even pray cows as
> Komaatha because of milk and other good products that is offered. Cow's
> ghee is offered in yagas. Lord krishna and Hanuman are always offered
> butter (vennai). Then too many of the saints including vallalar has
> prohibited us from drinking milk. Why?
>
> If you want saatvic qualities, meditating and interested in increasing your
> spiritual power then we need increase the internal heat in the body... ஊனை
> உருக்கி, உள்ளொளி பெருக்கி. one of the most important physical attribute of
> a spiritually evolved person is how thin he is. உடம்பு வத்த வேண்டும். I
> hope you have seen Kanchi periyavar pictures who was so frail and yet a
> very evolved and revered saint.
>
> Milk's nature is Kapha / Kabham which reduces the heat in the body and
> hence many saints including vallalar has prohibited us from drinking milk.
> But if you are in normal worldly life or a kid milk is very much essential.
> The moral is one person's medicine is other person's poison. Same way egg
> though it can add lot of protein and fat to our body its essential quality
> if tamasic. After eating egg for breakfast we would surely feel very sleepy
> and lethargic.
>
> So in my opinion instead of attributing a moralistic approach, we need to
> look at it scientifically (not western science which is very gross but as
> per our சித்த விஞ்ஞானம். The other aspect which we need to be very clear
> about is mercy or compassion aspect. When we kill an animal for our hunger
> or to satisfy our taste buds it is cruel. Mercy, compassion and cruelty are
> lower emotions which are seated in our nabhi chakra (solar plexus). This
> energy creates congestion in that chakra.
>
> When kundalini has to rise to the head then it needs a clear path. Sexual
> thinking / lust is in the swadisthana chakra, lower emotions are in the
> solar plexus both prevent the energy to rise about. Most of us live our
> lives in the lower 3 chakras and the awareness does not reach beyond it.
> That is why most of the sage recommend 2 things:
>
> 1. Have compassion and mercy and forgiveness which is an higher emotion
> seated in the heart. When this feeling manifests then lower emotions are
> cleaned off and there is no congestion.
> 2. Sing loudly.... so that the emotions are vented out. காதலாகி கசிந்து
> கண்ணீர் மல்கி ஓதுவார்.... you have sing loudly or recite slokas loudly.
> Remember any one cannot start with manthra japas. First it has to be
> disciplines (Yama and niyama) and then asanas, pranayama to clean the
> congestions. In bakthi marga it is satsang, bajans to clean the emotions.
>
> So in summary we should interpret everything based on siddha science (which
> is to know the nature of things and to understand how it affects us). the
> easier option is to go by what sages and saints have told us, since they
> knew it all. If eating non-veg is morally wrong then how do we explain a
> Kannappa nayanar or Gugan (Ramayana) attaining moksha?
>
> I think it has become a long mail, apologies for the same. These are my
> thoughts. I am enjoying this group keep it going.
>
> அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
> தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ashoken. N.P. <ashoken23@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Yogeshwar,
>>
>> We cannot listent to, all the time, what science says. It is a matter
>> of ones mature mind. If you can see that the egg has life inside it,
>> avoid it and same is for the milk. Vallalar saw life forms in
>> everything and eventually He stopped eating rice also after sometime I
>> believe. Listen to your lovely Heart.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ashoken
>>
>>
>> On 1/4/12, MC Saravanan <saravanan.mc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Yogeswar,
>> >
>> > As far to my understand EGG can be classify as (karu muttai) as well
>> waste
>> > of (karu muttai) like menus which human have.
>> >
>> > All the eggs are not getting to chicks.
>> >
>> > So, this is to understand as well to ding your doubt to egg.
>> >
>> > Coming to milk, once the milk not extracted from the cow (pasu) there is
>> a
>> > chance of stagnantation (kattikollum). Either we feed it to baby cow.
>> >
>> > Cow type of animals having 4 layers of digestive system & easily they
>> > can
>> > manage it. Another cause is chances of getting cold if consumed in
>> > night.
>> >
>> > All the above points, are welcome for more explanation.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> > Saravanan
>> >
>> > Mail transmitted from Apple OS for iPhone.
>> >
>> > On 3 Jan, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Vedha3Yogi <yogeshwar3@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >> Vallalar says, the Gnana Mooligai's should be consumed only by
>> >> Vegetarian Persons. Why is it?
>> >>
>> >> I heard that Vallalar Said "NO" to Milk also.
>> >> But during the night time, after we consume the Karisalai Lekkiyam, we
>> >> should drink milk.
>> >>
>> >> Could you please clarify if the Milk and Egg are Veg or Non-Veg?
>> >>
>> >> If Milk is Veg, then Egg should also be Veg. is this a correct
>> >> sentence?
>> >>
>> >> If Egg is Non-Veg, then Milk is also Non-Veg. is this a correct
>> >> sentence?
>> >>
>> >> Please provide me the scientific reasons if available.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you so much.
>> >> Yogeshwar V
>> >>
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>> >> அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
>> >> தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
>> >>
>> >> எல்லா உயிர்களும் இன்புற்று வாழ்க
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>> > அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
>> > தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
>> >
>> > எல்லா உயிர்களும் இன்புற்று வாழ்க
>>
>>
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>> தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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> Peace & prosperity,
>
>
> rags gopalan
>
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>
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>
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