[vallalargroups:3854] Re: agaval

Dear kumaresan  do you need to spend time in answering such questions? why VallarGroups is allowing such questions?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:22 AM, kumaresan krishnamurthy <kumaresh.bcet@gmail.com> wrote:

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தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி

அன்புள்ளம் கொண்ட வெங்கடேஷ் ஐயா அவர்களுக்கு!

தங்களுக்கு பதில் அளிக்கும் அளவிற்கு யாம் இன்னும் அருளறிவு பெற வில்லை,
அருளறிவு பெறுவதற்கு மட்டுமே இப்பொழுது முயன்றுக்கொண்டிருக்கிறேன்,
பெருமானார் இச்சிறியேனுக்கு  அளித்த உபதேசம் அருளறிவுக் கொண்டு அருளை
சரணடை என்பதே.

மேலும் எல்லாம் வல்ல ஞானகுரு வள்ளல் பெருமானார் திருவுளத்தினால் சில
சமுதாய விழிப்புணர்ச்சி கட்டுரைகள் வள்ளலார் ஷ்பேசில் இடம் பெறுகிறது,
இதுவும் இவன் எழுதுவது கிடையாது, அந்த அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி ஆண்டவரின்
தனிப்பெருங்கருணையே!

அவர் எமக்கு தந்த உபதேசம்: அருளறிவு பெறாமல் யோக சாதனையில் ஈடுபட
வேண்டாம், மாயை வயப்பட்ட சாதனங்கள் மாயயை ஏற்படுத்தும் அதன் மூலம் நாம்
பெற வேண்டிய ஆன்ம லாபத்தை பெற முடியாது என்பதே!

எனவே இச்சிறியேனை விட்டுவிடுங்கள்! இவன் அற்ப அறிவுக்கொண்டவன், அருளறிவு
கொண்டவனல்ல!

நீங்கள் உங்கள் பயிற்சியை தொடருங்கள்! சுவாமி சரவணானந்தா மற்றும் ஏனைய
மகான்களை விட உங்களுக்கு வெற்றி கிட்டும், ஏனெனில் உங்களுடைய பயிற்சியான
மனம்கடந்த நிலையில் தியானம்( consciousness) 16 நிலைகள் கடந்து 17 வது
நிலையில் தாங்கள் இருக்கிறீர்கள். நீங்கள் மரணமில்லா பெருவாழ்வு
அடைவீர்கள் என்ற நம்பிக்கையும் எனக்கு இருக்கிறது.

19 மற்றும் 20-ம் நூற்றாண்டில் எண்ணற்ற மகான்களுக்கு கிடைக்காத
வரப்பிரசாதம்- மரணமில்லா பெருவாழ்வு  தங்களுக்கு கிடைத்தால், அது உங்கள்
மார்க்கம் மற்றும் உங்கள் சாதனம் கொண்ட வெற்றியே!  அதனால் யாம் பெரும்
சந்தோஷமும் எல்லையற்றதாகவே இருக்கும்.

எனவே உங்களை வாழ்த்துவதை விட வணங்குகிறேன்.

நன்றி

வணக்கம்

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: kumaresan krishnamurthy <kumaresh.bcet@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:49:30 +0530
Subject: Re: agaval
To: venkatesh-co@precot.com

its up to u. Vallalar knows me. I know Him. U please go ahead. One day
u will b taught by a true master. Then u will understand its all
illusious. U have to travel a long distance, keep it in mind. Before
reaching the level u will b easily trapped by your own deeds. Many
people did the same by self propagation. U r also doing the same by
telling about just a tool of conscious. I told u earlier please try to
hold one true master, then try to speak him with holding zero level,
then it is easy to your guru to guide u. Dont put your own words to
criticize such a glory and humble man. He has renounced all, what
about to say him. Saravananantha is directly taught by vallalar. Dont
compare like average human beings like why he was not able to conquire
death. It is the secret weapon which will be decided only by the
almighty to offer such a boom. In Many articles his gracious vallalar
guided me to write about it. But i dont know why r u not able to
capture it. May be of illusious .

On 1/24/11, venkatesh-co@precot.com <venkatesh-co@precot.com> wrote:
> reply is there , but not addressing the question isn't it ????
>
> bg venkatesh
>
> live in the present
> don't dwell in the past
> don't contemplate about your future
> this is the secret of the ART OF LIVING
>
>
> -----kumaresan krishnamurthy <kumaresh.bcet@gmail.com> wrote: -----
>>
>> To: venkatesh-co@precot.com
>> From: kumaresan krishnamurthy <kumaresh.bcet@gmail.com>
>> Date: 01/24/2011 05:34PM
>> Subject: Re: agaval
>>
>> reply is given, go thro it once again.
>>
>> On 1/24/11, venkatesh-co@precot.com <venkatesh-co@precot.com> wrote:
>> > why have you not replied to my below question ???
>> >
>> > bg venkatesh
>> >
>> > live in the present
>> > don't dwell in the past
>> > don't contemplate about your future
>> > this is the secret of the ART OF LIVING
>> >
>> >
>> > -----kumaresan krishnamurthy <kumaresh.bcet@gmail.com> wrote: -----
>> >>
>> >> To: venkatesh-co@precot.com
>> >> From: kumaresan krishnamurthy <kumaresh.bcet@gmail.com>
>> >> Date: 01/21/2011 04:03PM
>> >> Subject: Re: agaval
>> >>
>> >> you please tell me sir,
>> >>
>> >> how the Vethathri missed the consciousness level, he too like you was
>> >> talking about consciousness.
>> >>
>> >> with gracious vallalar, i got some message which has taken place in
>> >> vallalarspace recently.
>> >>
>> >> beyond the consciousness, one can go with siva yogam as per the message
>> >> given by vallalar. it is only the tool which will show the sivam and
>> >> offer
>> >> elixir and immortality.
>> >>
>> >> all the people are seeking elixir and immortality for the personal
>> >> benefit, that is the reason why it is not given to anybody except
>> >> vallalar. everything is HE, everything goes with him - arutjodhi,  so
>> >> one
>> >> has to practice sivayogam.
>> >>
>> >> with thanks
>> >>
>> >> kumaresan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM, <venkatesh-co@precot.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> could anyone tell me
>> >>>
>> >>> what is the order in which a practitioner gets - suddha, prana and
>> >>> gnana
>> >>> dehams ??
>> >>>
>> >>> suddha
>> >>> pranava
>> >>> gnana dehams
>> >>>
>> >>> or
>> >>>
>> >>> gnana
>> >>> pranava
>> >>> suddha dehams
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> bg venkatesh
>> >>>
>> >>> live in the present
>> >>> don't dwell in the past
>> >>> don't contemplate about your future
>> >>> this is the secret of the ART OF LIVING
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----kumaresan krishnamurthy <kumaresh.bcet@gmail.com> wrote: -----
>> >>>>
>> >>>> To: venkatesh-co@precot.com
>> >>>> From: kumaresan krishnamurthy <kumaresh.bcet@gmail.com>
>> >>>> Date: 01/18/2011 11:06AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: agaval
>> >>>>
>> >>>> may be . But he practiced sadhana, he quoted to his close followers
>> >>>> that he was not able to have sleepless state as vallalar, that is why
>> >>>> he may not attain deathless.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 1/17/11, venkatesh-co@precot.com <venkatesh-co@precot.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Dear Sir
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I have read the book - Arutperunjothi Agaval - interpretation by
>> >>>> > Swami
>> >>>> > Saravananda
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > No doubt - he is a prolific writer - some of his explanations are
>> >>>> > class ,
>> >>>> > outstanding
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > His contribution to the sanmarga world is really very great  - he
>> >>>> > has
>> >>>> > done
>> >>>> > yeoman service to the humaity by his works
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > At the same time , would like to point out that for the most
>> >>>> > important
>> >>>> > verses of agaval - his interpretations and explanations are wrong
>> >>>> > ex - 1. 8 & 2 - Ettirandu
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 2. Muththi and siddhi
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 3. triple deathless bodies
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 4. ambrosia - elixir - amirtham - its formation et al
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 5. destruction of 3 malams - maya, kanmam and aanavam
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > for the above , even the interpretations by Mr M Balu is also wrong
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > that is the reason why , I opted for saravananda 's book
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > he has knowledge of the ultimate/targets , but looks know not the
>> >>>> > way
>> >>>> > to
>> >>>> > reach them  which is clear from his interpretations, and  he has
>> >>>> > not
>> >>>> > had any
>> >>>> > experience of higher realms of consciousness which is why he died
>> >>>> > without
>> >>>> > conquest of death , like Vedathri and others
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > looks , getting caught in the web of compassion - ( hence probably
>> >>>> >  thought
>> >>>> > no sadhanam/practice required )  didn't think  beyond it
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >  his open declaration of " No dhavam , dhanam will lift you up  "
>> >>>> > makes
>> >>>> >  me to come to a decision that he did not practice any sadhanam  in
>> >>>> > his life
>> >>>> > time - hence no conquest of realms of consciousness , hence no
>> >>>> > conquest of
>> >>>> > death
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > he contradicts himself at some places ??
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > he , probably missed certain " must read books " in sanmargam like
>> >>>> > "
>> >>>> > suddha
>> >>>> > sathagam " , sundara manicka yogeeswarar's book etc
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > bg venkatesh
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > live in the present
>> >>>> > don't dwell in the past
>> >>>> > don't contemplate about your future
>> >>>> > this is the secret of the ART OF LIVING
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>

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