Inbutru Vazga,
Dear All,
Our Vallalar Groups .Vallalar Devotee.Vinayagamurthy has asked One Sath Vichara Question ,"IS THERE ONLY ONE SIVAM"? on 13-APR-2009.
Our Salem.Kuppusamy has given has to all for "IS THERE ONLY ONE SIVAM"..?
Please read forwarded answer ..
Anbudan,
Karthikeyan
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From: Kuppusamy R <r.kuppusamy@gmail.com>
Date: 24 May 2009 09:52
Subject: Re: Sath Vichara Question :IS THERE ONLY ONE SIVAM
To: Karthikeyan J <karthikeyan.jayapal@googlemail.com>
Question is : IS THERE ONLY ONE SIVAM?
Dear Sir,
Can there be any doubt about the number of the ultimate Being?
Mahayogi Thirumoolar says 'Ondrae Kulamum, Oruvanae Devanum', Saint Patinathaar says ' Ondrendru iru. Deivam undenru iru.' Vallalar confirms it 'Oru uldalil er uyir enalaamo?' In one body there can be only one spirit. In the same way in the cosmic body also there can be one ultimate spirit.
The doubt arises because of the claiming of various religions that their own brand of God is the supreme. How to solve this problem? As usual it was Vallalar who solved it for me. Vallalar says 'Chith sabaiyil vilanguginra deivam Athe deivam', which means the living God inside the agna chakra, i.e., One's own soul or 'Jeevan' is the temple of Chithambaram inside which the living Lord of Arutperum Jothi is eternally dancing. As long as one tries to see God in temples outside this doubt will linger in the mind.
Long before Saint Manika Vasagar announced the same truth in his immortal words.. ' Thenaadu udaya Sivane Pootri, En naattavarkum iraivaa potri'. At the surface level the meaning of this dictum could be questioned by a christian or musalman. But the real meaning is an eternal truth. 'Thennaadu' does not mean South India or Chithambaram, a geographical location found on the map. What he means by thennadu is the Agna Chakra inside which is the jeevan which is the real temple of Chidhambaram.
Chidh - means life, living spirit.
ambaram - means Sky or temple.
This can be verified by the sacrad verses of vallalar: ' Uyirellam Podhu [All souls are the dancing platform of God. And "Uyirellaam oru nee thiru nadam puriyum thirupodhu ena therintheen" - meaning I discovered that, all souls are a platform on which the only God's eternal dance is being performed. ]
Thiru moolar says 'Seevan yena Sivan yena verillai' meaning there is no difference between Seevan or Jeeva and Siva. There is no difference between 'Pasu' or soul and 'Pathi' or God provided the soul is purified of the malas, anava, kanma and maya.
Saint Aunagiri naarthar says there is but one task for man to do in this life : To pass the test
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From: Kuppusamy R <r.kuppusamy@gmail.com>
Date: 24 May 2009 09:52
Subject: Re: Sath Vichara Question :IS THERE ONLY ONE SIVAM
To: Karthikeyan J <karthikeyan.jayapal@googlemail.com>
Question is : IS THERE ONLY ONE SIVAM?
Dear Sir,
Can there be any doubt about the number of the ultimate Being?
Mahayogi Thirumoolar says 'Ondrae Kulamum, Oruvanae Devanum', Saint Patinathaar says ' Ondrendru iru. Deivam undenru iru.' Vallalar confirms it 'Oru uldalil er uyir enalaamo?' In one body there can be only one spirit. In the same way in the cosmic body also there can be one ultimate spirit.
The doubt arises because of the claiming of various religions that their own brand of God is the supreme. How to solve this problem? As usual it was Vallalar who solved it for me. Vallalar says 'Chith sabaiyil vilanguginra deivam Athe deivam', which means the living God inside the agna chakra, i.e., One's own soul or 'Jeevan' is the temple of Chithambaram inside which the living Lord of Arutperum Jothi is eternally dancing. As long as one tries to see God in temples outside this doubt will linger in the mind.
Long before Saint Manika Vasagar announced the same truth in his immortal words.. ' Thenaadu udaya Sivane Pootri, En naattavarkum iraivaa potri'. At the surface level the meaning of this dictum could be questioned by a christian or musalman. But the real meaning is an eternal truth. 'Thennaadu' does not mean South India or Chithambaram, a geographical location found on the map. What he means by thennadu is the Agna Chakra inside which is the jeevan which is the real temple of Chidhambaram.
Chidh - means life, living spirit.
ambaram - means Sky or temple.
This can be verified by the sacrad verses of vallalar: ' Uyirellam Podhu [All souls are the dancing platform of God. And "Uyirellaam oru nee thiru nadam puriyum thirupodhu ena therintheen" - meaning I discovered that, all souls are a platform on which the only God's eternal dance is being performed. ]
Thiru moolar says 'Seevan yena Sivan yena verillai' meaning there is no difference between Seevan or Jeeva and Siva. There is no difference between 'Pasu' or soul and 'Pathi' or God provided the soul is purified of the malas, anava, kanma and maya.
Saint Aunagiri naarthar says there is but one task for man to do in this life : To pass the test
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Karthikeyan J <karthikeyan.jayapal@googlemail.com> wrote:
Inbutru Vazga
Dear Sir,
One Sanmarga Anbar Dr.Vinayaga moorthy, has raised one Question
Question is : IS THERE ONLY ONE SIVAM?
we are waiting for your answer...
Anbudan,
Karthikeyan.
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From: vinayaga moorthy <dpvmoorthy@yahoo.com>
Date: 13 Apr 2009 11:33
Subject: IS THERE ONLY ONE SIVAM
To: karthikeyan.jayapal@gmail.com, vallalargroups@googlegroups.com, vallalargroups@gmail.com, Karthikeyan J <karthikeyan.jayapal@googlemail.com>
DEAR KARTIKEYAN,Recently there has been some healthy dicussions on sushama thegam and samadhi. thank you for moderating this. Its good of you to get thiru kuppusamy to participate as well.Since coming to know about the sanmargam i have read in the arutpa 6th thirumurai in numerous songs saint ramalinga has declared that there is only one sivam. he confirms that we can only attain that sivam through sutha sanmargam.this involves only one method i.e jeevakarunium. vallalar doest not recommend any form of yoga. he never also talks about the various chakras.there is however another group that see saint ramalinga just as another sitthar. they claim that the sivam that he talks about and experienced is the same sivam seen by all other great sittars before him.im really confused? which is the truth?i have been reading the thirumanthiram recently and this made me even more confused.can someone please enlighten me.dpv
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