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Wednesday, December 3, 2008

[vallalargroups:961] Re: Sath-Visara Question: What is Soul Experience?

Blessed Immortal Soul,
 
Soul and Grace
 
One great distinction between Grace(God) and Man(Soul)  is that God is independent, Swatantran which man is not.The soul is a swatantran or paratantran, not independent or dependent on others. In the bandha or bounden state it is bound by or dependent on, or partaking of nature of Pasam and is hence called Pasu and being bound by or under the influence of Pasam and helpless to extricate itself from its fetters, it stands in need of the help of the free being, Pati or Grace.
When the Grace comes Pasu gets liberated from its ignorance of Pasam and attains liberation(Veedu).

2008/12/3 Karthikeyan J <karthikeyan.jayapal@googlemail.com>
Ella Uyirgalum Inbutru Vazga !!!

Dear Ravi,

I am not clear your point on Heart(will remain even after death)...

and also, Are you giving explanation for ஆன்ம் அனுபவம் or "Annma Prakasam"?

("Aanma Anubhavam)ஆன்ம் அனுபவம் and  "Annma Prakasam" .. Both are same or different?

Please explain in detail...

Anbudan,
Karthikeyan


On 12/3/08, P.Ravi Kumar <ravi.latha2003@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear  friend
Vannakam.
Vallar clearly mentioned that Anma Prakasam and VIILAKAM i(n Tamil) in three paces.
1.Heart
2.In between eye brows
3.At centre head
 
These three will remain even after death.
 
Another one is JEEVAN at neck between head and body.Here  also Anma Prakasam around 50 to 60 percent is there but only till death.
 
Heart-Happiness
In between eye brows-Knowledge
Ar cetre head-Truth
 
These are the three experiences we can feel at these places.
 
Also whatever Jeevan experiences is converted in to spritual language and it is kept before these three.They will only give commands to elements of the body depends upon situation.
 
Thanks in Vallal peruman.
 


 
2008/12/2 anandhan k <anandknatarajan@gmail.com>

Blessed immortal Soul,
 
Aanma and Soul are one and the same.
In SIVAGNANABODHAM THE AUTHOR  MEYKANDAR   CLEARLY ESTABLISHES THE EXISTENCE OF SOUL.
According to Shivagnanasidhiyar of Umapathysivacharyar Soul pervades through out our body in the form of small cells called anukkal.
Both the books are authority of saivasidhantha.
Hence aanma and soul are one and the same and it pervades throughout our body.
with prem and om
anand

2008/12/2 Dhanapal Thirumalaisamy <dhanapal.thirumalaisamy@gmail.com>
Dear friend,
 
Equivalent word for soul in Tamil is: Uyir. i am not sure the equivalent word for aanma in English. I think, in sanskrit, it is called "aatman" (aatma). Uyir and aanma, they are not the same.
 
Prayers,
Dhanapal
 
 


 
2008/12/1 Karthikeyan J <karthikeyan.jayapal@googlemail.com>
Inbutru Vazga,
 
Dear Friends,
For my knowledge ,
Both are same meaning only.. Words are from "different" Languages (Tamil,English)
"Annma" - is "Tamil Word"
"Soul"  - is "English Word"
Other Souls can clear this "Core" doubt...
I don't know the Correct meaning of this Thirukural.. please explain that also...

Anbudan,
Karthikeyan


2008/12/2 Dhanapal Thirumalaisamy <dhanapal.thirumalaisamy@gmail.com>

To findout where soul is, we have to look into Thirukkural.
 
Valluvar says:
 
"புக்கில் அமைந்தின்று கொல்லோ உடம்பினுள்
துச்சில் இருந்த உயிர்க்கு"
துச்சில் = ஒரு மூலையில்
 
So, it is clear that soul is there in a small place in our body. Which மூலை is that?
 
Prayers,
Dhanapal
 


 
2008/12/1 Dhanapal Thirumalaisamy <dhanapal.thirumalaisamy@gmail.com>

Dear friend,

I think we should ask
 
1) what is soul?
2) what is aanma?
 
In my humble view, soul is not aanma. I think we will be clear about soul experience and aama experience only if we know clearly what is soul and what is aanma.
 
Prayers,
Dhanapal
 
 

 
2008/12/1 Karthikeyan J <karthikeyan.jayapal@googlemail.com>

Vallal Malaradi Vaalga Vaalga
 
Dear Friends,
ஆன்ம் அனுபவம் என்றால் என்ன? - What is "Soul Experience"?
ஆன்மா அநுபவத்ததை எவ்வாறு பெறுவது ? - How can we attain vallalar telling  "Soul experience"?
 
With KindRegards,
Karthikeyan.J

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With KindRegards,
Karthikeyan.J

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Karthikeyan.J

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