[vallalargroups:688] Re: Question - எவ்வாறு நாம் வினைகளில் இருது தப்பிப்பது ?

Dear Mr.Karthikeyan,

 Thank you for remembering the kural,because i studied a very long back ,i get the theme with some words ,but not fully.Also from arunagirinathar-iruvinai ara,mummalam ara,Kandar alangaram-nalen seyyum,vinai thaan en seyyum..........kumaresaran thaalum ,silambum sathangaiyyum enakku munne vanthu thondrine,so without god grace no body win either worldly pleasures or get arul anubavam,for this ayya simply says ollukam indriya,karana jeeva ,aanma ollukam,but what we are doing all thinking all along but nobody ready to sacrifice or ready to avoid anything,Pls dont mistake me i am saying reality because one question arises in the period of Ayya nobody is such a great person with intellectuals,he himself why not taken up either tholuvoorar,irukkam rathina mudaliyar ( class mate),because for a question from a person he answered through tholuvoorar son,why not he made a person to his level.
Thank you,

Siva.

2008/9/11 Karthikeyan J <karthikeyan.jayapal@googlemail.com>

Inbutru Vazga,

 

Dear Siva Pandian,

 

Happy to receive more replies..

 

I am very happy with your detailed explanation..

 

you have refered
Thiru-Arutpa      - அனுபவ நூல்
Thiru-Vasagam  - தோத்திர நூல் 
Thiru-Mandiram - சாத்திர நூல் 
Thiru-Kural .       - கற்பித்த நூல் 

and also Nalvar's.

 

This is our only Vedha Books...

 

I would like mention your thiru-kural refernce . It's really excel...

 

"irul ser iruvinnayum serathaar iraivan porul ser" - pls get clarified with thirukkural

 

"இருள்சேர் இருவினையும்  சேரா இறைவன்
பொருள்சேர்  புகழ்புரிந்தார்  மாட்டு".     - திருக்குறள்( 5 )

விளக்கம் : எல்லாம்வல்ல நம் இறைவனின் உண்மை புகழை விரும்பி  அன்பு  செலுத்துகின்றவரிடம்   அறியாமையால் விளையும்  இருவகை வினையும் (நல்வினை , தீவினை ) சேர்வதில்லை.

உண்மை அன்புடன்,

karthikeyan

 

 

 

2008/9/11 siva pandiyan <siva6022@gmail.com>

Dear devotees,

                        I like to tell some thing with proofs,our vinai does not refer to our actions as stated below as per my thinking those actions are stored and recorded in our soul  because Proof,In vedas u can see that  ,in a tree there are two birds one is eating other one looks into .It means the tree is our mind which lives in worldly pleasures and the soul is looking are listening.
Also if we do wrong as per below statement we should have to suffer,but in the world we are seeing those doing wrong are living with all pleasures,so this concept hits.As per iyya we have no freedom on jeeva,deha,boha suthantharam,so its is true that we all came on predicted lifes so we cant decide if some thing happens as per our thinking it means our action is matching with those things.Proof from Sri Aurobindo he simply explain the situation Eg accident,he says for us it is accident but it is already fixed one that this person should have to met this accident for some reasons which we cannot give explanations,if we give that will not be real one.

Ottokindra valvinayaam utkayittraal ulirundu attukindra ne thaan arinthilayo- Ayya sentence,

Also in thiruvaasagam nane poi en anbum poi aanaal vinayen aluthaal unnai peralame.

In thirukkural there is one athikaaram stating how it acts on human beings in 10 stansas,also for other then human beings,Eg irul ser iruvinnayum serathaar iraivan porul ser - pls get clarified with thirukkural. Ayya stated in perubadesam how small creatures are coming to the world and how long they live.In 6th thirumurai he openly states what is vinai how it acts in human being,as irattai pari vaganam .

All the statements gives clearly that it is none other than moochu ,proof eri irangi irukaalum ( thro 2 noses) poorikkum kaatrai pidikkum kannakku arivaarillai -Thiru mandiram. Pukku purinthaar enbar eesanare- appar swamigal thevaram Sentence i forgetten get clarify.Also in the book siva boga saaram ther is clear statement how vinai acts on human being governed by god,summa sugam varumo summa pini varumo summa varumo suga dhukkam,munbu seitha vinai iruppin maneme eithavanei naadi iru.Any way both nalvinai& theevinai none other than gold & iron chains.

SO ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS jEEVA KAARUNYAM TO COME OUT FROM VINAI,ALSO ONE MORE PROOF SAMPANTHAR ,APPAR,SUNDARAR,PATTINATHAR,MANICAVASAGAR,MEIKANDAAR,UMAPATHISIVAM OR ARULNANDHI SIVAM WERE TAKEN BY GOD FOR HIS WORK AND NOT BY THEIR OWN INTERESTS,SO WE WILL DO THE BEST WITH IRAKKAM THEN GOD WILL DECIDE.

If any thing wrong forgive me.

Siva.

2008/9/10 vallalar groups <vallalargroups@gmail.com>

எல்லா உயிர்களும் இன்புற்று வாழ்க

பிறவிக்கு காரணம் நம் வினை .

அதாவது நம் நல்வினை  & தீவினை

நாம் நல்ல செயல்கள் செயும்பொது  நல்வினையாக மாறுகிறது ...

நாம் தீய செயல்கள் செயும்போது தீவினையாக  மாறுகிறது ....

எனவே , நாம் எது செய்தாலும் , வினையாக மாறுகிறது ...
Question : எவ்வாறு  நாம்  வினைகளில்  இருது  தப்பிப்பது  ....

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